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Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Bush and Mexican Murderer vs US Supremes

Whose court is it anyway?

Bush and Mexican murderer vs US Supreme Court.

In 1993 in Houston Texas, a Mexican citizen by the name of Ernesto Medellin was arrested and convicted for the rape and murder of two teenaged girls – Jennifer Ertman, 14, and Elizabeth Pena, 16. Ernesto could speak and write in English. During his arrest, he was given the Miranda rights and he ended up giving the authorities a written confession. He was sentenced to death in 1994 and has been on death row ever since.

In International court, of which the United States has agreed to abide by, said that Ernesto’s rights were violated. It seems that a 1964 “Vienna Convention” ruling says that when people are arrested in another country, they should have access to their home country’s consular officials. The International Court of Justice (as it is called) said that Ernesto and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the United States should be allowed new court hearings to determine whether their violated rights affected the outcomes of their court decisions. Bush came out in support of the Mexican and the World Court.

The US Supreme Court ruled against Bush and Ernesto and other Mexicans on death row and said that neither Texas nor any other state had to abide by the World Court. The outcome of Ernesto’s trial would not have been affected either way.

The word “sovereignty” comes to mind.

The Mexican government stirred this whole thing up in the first place according to the article. Mexico has no death penalty.

It is unclear from the articles I’ve read whether Ernesto and his parents are here in the US legally or not. Regardless, he is considered a citizen of Mexico.

If Mexico doesn’t wants its citizens to face the death penalty for capital crimes then Mexico should keep its citizens home and quit encouraging them to cross the border.

If Mexicans disagree with the death penalty, then they shouldn’t murder and rape on US soil. When in Rome…

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At 8:29 PM, Blogger ELAshley said...

Yes, Bush has become somewhat of a disappointment despite being the better choice for the office of President.

On top of this Bush is going ahead with the NAFTA superhighway, moving us closer to a Euro-style multi-national union with Canada and Mexico.

I really hate to say this, but unless something astoundingly astonishing happens to prevent it, America is dead. Government has changed too much for this nation to survive as a sovereign, single entity.

At 9:01 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

I suspect you are right. The America we know and love is essentially already dead - and most likely will not be around much longer at all. Sounds far fetched on the one hand, but on the other, who would have guessed twenty years ago that we would be where we are today. I think we'll be seeing more of the "World Court" and other "World Government" type entities. I'm not convinced the USA is mentioned at all in the book of Revelation - which means we may no longer exist at that point - either literally or sovereignly.

At 9:31 PM, Anonymous Christslave said...

So, you support death penalty? It's not christian!

At 10:31 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

"So, you support death penalty? It's not christian!"

Explain why you think so.

At 6:27 AM, Anonymous Christslave said...

What would Jesus do? Tell me.

At 7:05 AM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

What would Jesus do about what? Illegal aliens? Giving a new trial to Ernesto? The death penalty? I need to know specifically what you are referring to please.

At 2:41 PM, Anonymous Christslave said...

I clearly mentioned death penalty. Why are you confusing yourself?

So, let me ask you again...slowly - what do you think Jesus would do? Would he support death penalty?

At 2:49 PM, Blogger ELAshley said...

Perhaps ChristSlave should tell us what he/she thinks Jesus would do instead of slinging accusations-- implied or otherwise.

At 4:44 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

The Bible clearly supports the death penalty for some offenses, and since Jesus is God, and since God is ultimately the author of Scripture, then yes, Jesus would support the death penalty. In fact, He is clear that in some instances, when a Christian falls further and further into unrepentant sin, there is a "sin unto death" that God Himself executes.

So why do you think the death penalty is "not Christian"?

At 7:31 AM, Anonymous Christslave said...

WOW!! So Jesus would support death penalty and 'execute' people if required! Perfect. Hope it's not by stoning! ;-) Why don't you call yourself a 'republican' instead of a 'christian'? At least, you would be honest!

@Elashsley: Jesus would forgive, not 'execute' people for their sins. He would 'sacrifice' himself for our sins. So, what does 'your' Jesus do incase of death penalty? I'm trying to understand how close is your version of 'Christianlity' to sharia law!

At 8:41 AM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

So, what does 'your' Jesus do incase of death penalty? I'm trying to understand how close is your version of 'Christianlity' to sharia law!

Jesus as a man would not personally execute anyone. That is the job of the state, not individuals.

God, as the Creator and law giver, has the just right to decide life and death for all mankind - and with his children, in extreme cases of disobedience and unrepentant sin, He will end their life here - only to be brought home to heaven with Him.

Sort of like when your child is misbehaving at the neighbor's house and refuses to straighten up. What do you do? You make him come home.

Christianity and Sharia Law are two totally different ideologies. One is a set of rules and regulations designed to force submission and oppression through fear, with women being treated more harshly than men. The other is a relationship with the Creator that offers an abundant life here on earth and an eternity in heaven with Him, our only requirement being to confess that we are sinners who cannot earn our way to heaven and believe that Jesus died in our place on the cross to pay the penalty for our sins, and then rose from the dead to prove He was Who He said He was.

At 1:09 PM, Blogger ELAshley said...

"@ELashsley: Jesus would forgive..."

He sure would. He forgave one thief who ask for forgiveness, and the other thief died in his sins.... condemned.

But Jesus also said to the church in Smyrna,

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
--Revelation 2:11

ANYONE who stands before the throne of God WITHOUT the blood of Christ covering their sin, WILL experience the most horrific execution imaginable... the second death... the one where Death itself simply does not exist.

Jesus-- one with God --will say to them, 'depart from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you.'

One thief repented, one thief did not. One is in Heaven, the other is not.

Harsh.... but Just.


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