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Friday, February 15, 2008

The Religion of Peace trains Children to be Terrorists

Islam's alternative to Bible School.

The Religion of Peace trains children to be terrorists.


[an-Nisa' 4:89] They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,

[Matthew 5:44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.


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At 9:42 AM, Blogger cold_spring said...

The Quran:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses)"

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

The Bible:

Deuteronomy 20:13-20
13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword (even the unarmed ones):
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.
15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.
16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
18 That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God.
19 When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege:
20 Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

My Point:

Acts of violence and acts of charity and compassion exist side by side in both the Bible and the Quran and scrutinizing one while ignoring ( conveniently perhaps) the other is both misleading and dishonest.

At 10:59 AM, Blogger Ms.Green said...


Thanks for your input, and I understand what you are saying, but you are not comparing apples to apples. Please read my earlier post on this subject:

Comparing Islamic Terrorism and Old Testament Conquests

Islam has been a religion of violence from the very beginning - because its founder was violent.

Another problem is that the god of Islam can lie, change his mind, and contradict himself. The God of Christianity does not do any of these things. So to try to use the verses in the Quran that you quoted to negate the one I quoted does not change the fact the Islam is a religion of violence, submission, and oppression and that Christianity is a personal relationship with the Creator, and an offer of freedome to all who will receive it.

In the book of Jonah, the prophet ran from God because he KNEW God was a merciful God and would forgive those who came to him in true repentance. The Assyrians were a cruel people and had persecuted the Jews. Jonah wanted to see God's judgement on the Assyrians, but instead, God showed mercy because of their repentance.

And please don't EVEN mention the Crusades -which weren't about Christianity- but about power and about politics.

And please don't equate Catholicism and the Inquisition with Christianity. The Inquisition killed Christians who refused to follow the man-made system of religion that the RCC promulgated. I would have been one who was tortured and killed by the Inquisition because I would have refused to bow to the Pope and the Catholic church.

At 12:47 PM, Blogger cold_spring said...


To say the Prophet of Islam was violent, I think is wrong. Mohamed, we should keep in mind, lived through torture and cruel treatment during his days in Mecca both him and his followers. He was regularly stoned and spitted on by the people of Mecca and he and his followers and family were exiled and banished
from their people. Young Meccan children were encouraged to drag Muslim converts around the streets of Mecca and some even died as a result of such cruel treatment. Never did Muhammad ask his followers to fight back. In fact, the only time Muslims were allowed to fight back was when the city of Medina was under attack from the Meccan clansmen. Hostile and often wrong views of Muhammad in the Western world have their roots during the middle Ages when the prophet was depicted as the anti-Christ and the accused of being inspired by Satan. Needless to say, history has proved those false charges to be untrue.

I also find it interesting that you would accuse the “god” of Islam of being a liar and a contradictory figure. It doesn’t take for a rocket-scientist to conclude that the Bible is one of the most contradictory books ever penned! Yet you seem to believe that the Bible has no errors and is in no way contradictory. The following biblical verses are enough to disprove your assertions:

What saves Bible followers

"But if you do warn the wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his evil ways, he will die for his sin; but you will have saved yourself. "Again, when a righteous man turns from his righteousness and does evil, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. Since you did not warn him, he will die for his sin. The righteous things he did will not be remembered, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the righteous man not to sin and he does not sin, HE WILL SURELY LIVE because he took warning, and you will have saved yourself." (From the NIV Bible, Ezekiel 3:19-21)"

"that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

On one hand the bible commands its followers to “thou shalt not kill” yet on the other hand it commands:

1 Samuel 15:2-4
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.

On one hand god of the bible prohibited brothers from marrying their sister, yet he allowed it for Abraham and Sara!

"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)"

"Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"

If you want to believe that the crusades had nothing to do with religion and every-thing to do with politics, then you have every right to believe so! But keep in mind that the sermons and statements of the church are documented and are very well-known.

Violence is deeply rooted in the Christian church and no amount of excuses will wash away that ugly reality. The southern Baptist Convention sanctioned the practice of slavery here in the United States and used the bible to justify the cruel enslavement of their so-called Christian “brethren.” The colonization of Africa was also sanctioned by the churches of Europe who saw the policy as an effective missionary and indoctrination tool to convert the Africans into their religion. The conquistadors also used their famous banner of “ God, Gold and Glory,” to massacre and bring about on of the most devastating genocides in history as did European settlers in North America that has seen the near eradication of the Natives of this land. Other Europeans would use the same tactic to whip out the Aboriginals in Australia and other territories in Oceania. Hitler too used Christianity as an excuse to massacre Jews during the Second World War. Young Germans were taught to call Jews “Christ Killers,” and history bears witness to the effect it had on the Jewish people of Europe at that time. And if the Second World War is a distant history, then look no further than Rwanda in 1994 when the Catholic Church instigated ethnic wars in the worst genocides in recent memory. One can essentially conclude that violence is Christian as much as Christian is Violence.

At 10:37 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

Whoa there, CS. One thing at a time, ok? You might have a lot more free time on your hands than I do, but that's way too much to answer at one time, so let's slow down and take one thing at a time.

#1. Was Mohammed a violent man who founded a violent religion?

You say no, but history and the Quran prove you wrong.

For instance, are you familiar with the Hijra, or migration to Mecca, where Muhammad received this revelation" O Prophet, strive hard against unbelievers and be firm against them" (Sura 9:73) - and his response was to begin making raids against caravans. With hundreds of armed men, he attacked a caravan at Badr, divided the spoils among his men, and kept a fifth of the spoils for himself. Soon after he attacked Jewish tribes Banu Quanuqa, Banu Nadir, and Banu Quraizah, and over 1000 Jewish men were slaughtered and their wives and children were sold into slavery. The spoils were again divided among Muhammed's Muslim soldiers.

A treaty was made between Muhammad and the Quaraish in 628. Two years later he broke the treaty, attacked Mecca with an army of some ten thousand men and not only destroyed images and idols, but executed many people there as well.

Yes, Muhammad was a violent man. And he founded a violent religion. Both history and the Quran confirm this.

I will answer your next assertion "It doesn’t take for a rocket-scientist to conclude that the Bible is one of the most contradictory books ever penned!" in another post. Probably won't be tomorrow though.


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