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Saturday, August 9, 2008

Vote for Obama to Prove you aren't Racist

In our local paper, someone wrote in to say basically that anyone who is against Obama for president is a racist. He said the criticism aimed at Obama is a subliminal message of racism.

Sound familiar? It does to me.

This is the same tired old "you're a racist" accusation - a common tactic when liberals have no substance to their arguments. It is Liberals who are obsessed with race. They see a racist behind every tree they hug.

When 94% of whites polled say they are going to vote for the white man regardless of issues, THEN you can cry racist. But what do you do when 94% of the black population says they are going to vote for the black man regardless of the issues?

I have black friends, of varying social and economic backgrounds, that don't like Obama and have no intentions of voting for him. But they are in the minority. Remember: 94% of blacks polled say they intend to vote for Obama. The same poll says 54% of whites say they'll vote for McCain. If we're talking racism, lets talk about 94% compared to 54%. Which number looks more racist to you?

My dislike of Obama is not about race. I don't like McCain either, but I'm not voting for Obama because of where he stands on ALL the issues that are important to me. He's not qualified, he's not a leader, he has no substance, he's arrogant, he associates and friends with real racists and he'll be detrimental to both our economy and our country's safety.

And seeing a sublimal message in that? I guess if you look long and hard enough, you will see racisim in it - just like seeing a divine portrait of the Virgin Mary in your peanut butter sandwich.


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At 7:58 AM, Anonymous John said...

Well of course, it is the easiest argument to win because it is nothing more than an allegation.

At 4:40 PM, Anonymous Herm said...

Some polls are now showing as high as 20% of voters may vote for 3rd party candidates or write-ins. I am voting my conscience and voting "none of the above". The lessor of two evils is still evil. Herm

At 5:09 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

Herm, I'm not voting. First time in my adult life. I'm not sure it's the right thing to do, and I'm praying about it - but I just don't like being force-fed John McCain by the GOP. We could have had a better candidate. My pastor, whom I love and respect immensely, really has tried to convince me to hold my nose and vote for McCain if for no other reason than abortion. He says if one unborn baby is saved through voting for McCain, it will be worth it.

I'm just not convinced that voting McCain will make a difference. In any area. Babies will continue to be murdered. The borders will continue to be crossed, and homosexuals will continue to gain legal and social (though not moral)legitimacy. It will happen under McCain. It will happen faster under Obama.

At 12:49 AM, Anonymous Herm said...

We are in complete agreement. I just read today that McCain is floating Tom Ridge as a possible VP. Ridge is on record as pro-choice. We Christians can never NEVER trust McCain. He is centrist at his best, but liberal by choice. Certainly not Christianity's friend or supporter.I too am praying. I possibly might vote for Alan Keyes or the constitution party's candidate. May God still show his mercy on our nation. Herm

At 10:56 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said...

As distasteful as it may be, one must vote for McCain because to do otherwise is a vote for Obama. The adage here is true and I cannot in good conscience do anything to help Obama get elected.

I re-iterate what I've said many times: the GOP didn't force anything on us, we allowed the GOP to make the choice for us.

How many of us make regular calls to Congress to make our opinions known? If we just let the party do whatever they think we want, then we deserve to have a McCain as our only choice.

Who in the primary was better? To me, it would have been either Thompson or Hunter (a good ticket in either order) or possibly Huckabee (though I wasn't strong for him). Everyone seems to have problems with McCain, but the primaries are not the result of the Electoral College, so what the heck happened?

We need to vote for McCain because none of the other third party dudes have an ice cube's chance in hell of being elected. Once Johnny Boy wins, we flood the phone lines with our opinions and force their hands. It worked in two recent situations: the Harriet Meiers nomination for SCOTUS and the so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill. It was grass roots activism that saved the day in each of those cases and in each of those cases, our president was a main supporter.

Don't think of voting for Mickey to be the lesser of two evils. Think of it as preventing the worst possible scenario, which it is. McCain's liberal only on some issues. Obama's the worst liberal on all issues.

At 10:49 AM, Anonymous Herm said...

Marshall, for me its all about my personal convictions. I can find no redeeming values in John McCain. Also, I have no allusions that my voting for a third choice will elect that person. but, my conscience will be clear and at peace. Your arguments are not substantiated due to the fact that McCain will more than likely face a even larger liberal congress, one that he seems quite willing to cross over the isle to embrace their liberal causes. McCain's voting records and comments over the years quite clearly shows he's not the social conservative Christians should be standing behind. I'm not convinced that McCain has really changed his mind on Immigration. After all, he prides himself on being a maverick. However it falls out, I see little difference between a McCain or a Obama. Evil is still evil. Herm

At 11:29 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said...

Oh jeez, Herm, the differences are still quite stark between them. I, too, have problems with the guy. But there's no way that he's equal to BO.

And can your conscience really be clear when you did nothing that would affect the possibility of the greater of the two evils from gaining power? Well, it might be for you, but you would still have aided and abetted his election by casting your vote for someone with no chance.

As to JM's liberal activity, it is recent compared to his life's work in politics. Michael Medved enjoyed touting his 86% or so rating from some conservative group. I found a link to it and found that for the last 5 yrs or so, he actually scores closer to 50% (with Barry and Hillary in single digits). But previous to this period (and it may be a bit longer) he was in the 90's.

I don't like his desire to close Gitmo. I don't like his stance on illegals. I don't like how he opposed Bush's tax cuts by referring to them as breaks for the rich, a liberal sentiment indeed. But he does see the value of them now (unless you want to call him a liar, which in politics is easy to do), and he does NOT share the same sentiments regarding abortion and homosexual marriage.

But Barry O will indeed work to make noise in all the areas that those on the right would not want to see. All of them, and he'll have a Dem majority in both Houses to simply rubber stamp everything. (I've heard one Republican say they'll still have enough to thwart him, but who knows?).

No sir. Allowing BO to win is a far greater "sin" than helping McCain. By miles.

At 1:25 PM, Anonymous Herm said...

Marshall Arts, First, I respect your opinion, but, again I disagree with most of your arguments. First Christians are not to mix that which is polluted with that which is pure. In other words,compromising Godly principles with fleshly and worldly views should not be considered or practiced by believers in Christ. Both Candidates have fleshly world views. Yes they differ on various issues, but they are still polluted views. McCain is and always has been a centrist in the Republican Party. Some, and I agree, call HIm a RINO (republican in name only). The Republican Party has drifted away from truly Christian values and now actively court liberal God hating voters by promising to embrace their values. I cannot and will not compromise Godly principles for ungodly ones. I believe that no mater which one gets elected, our nation will still be headed for extremely dark and evil times ahead. Unless God raises up a very God fearing man or woman to lead our nation back to him, I see no hope for our nation. I admit I am in a minority with my views, but that doesn't bother me in the least. "Straight is the gate and narrow is the way." That is why I can't hold to a secular view and just hold my nose and pull the lever for McCain. shows a scripture on her blog here that I leave you with. II Chron. 7:14. I believe this scripture settles any spiritual argument to the debate for the Christian faith. God bless, Herm

At 1:34 AM, Blogger Marshall Art said...

I do not dispute the Word. However, I say again, the differences between the two are starck. By your standards, you can never vote again. We are in this sick and twisted world even if we are not of it. We have a duty to do the best we can with what we are given. Again I say to you that to allow Obama to win by standing on your principles will help to cause grievous harm to our nation and thus make you complicit in that harm. With him in the White House, you can call the Congressional swichboard all you want and get nowhere. But there's a chance to influence the decisions of a guy who's closer to your beliefs, which McCain clearly is, even if standing alone he is miles away. He's just nowhere near as far away as Obama. I don't think you can find justification in Scripture for standing by and letting the worst happen.

BTW, as I said, a group, which is the American Conservative Union, rated McCain aroung 86% for his career. But year by year shows that until the last, oh, 10 years or so, he has been far more conservative. He hasn't always been a centrist in their opinion. But at his worst, he never approached the single digits awarded to either Obama or Hillary Clinton. He and McCain are NOT the same.

At 7:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to go with MA here. We do not and will not have perfect choices in this world and it will only get worse if we let it.
Thank God for McCain choosing Sarah Palin! Let's stand up and fight evil! mom2


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