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Sunday, March 15, 2009

More from the Religion of Peace

The "religion of peace" brings us this from Egypt.

Warning - graphic picture of the horrible attack against a young Christian man whose crime was a rumoured romance with a Muslim girl.

Love is a crime in Egypt punished by death - that is, if a Christian is involved.

Not only the young man died, but his father was attacked and killed as well. His brother was also severely injured.

This is an example of one distinct difference between Christianity and Islam.

God is love.
Allah is hate.

Islam...the religion of peace.

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At 7:30 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is horrific but not surprising from the religion of cut you to pieces.

I plan to do a few posts on Islam soon regarding blatant errors in the Koran, their being allowed to lie to advance their faith, and more.

At 10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"regarding blatant errors in the Koran"

Careful there 4Simp, our own book has some errors too. Like that two gospels can't agree on who the 12 apostles are, and that Matthew miscounted the number of generations of Christ. None of these ancient texts get hand copied for hundreds of years without errors.

You're never going to talk somebody out of their faith with an appeal to reason and logic.

At 2:47 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said...


If you cared, you could find plenty that explain the disparities you believe are in the Bible. They don't require a suspension of belief or for you to stand on your head. I believe even Neil can point you to great sources at his 4Simpsons blog.

At 3:18 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...


What you are calling "our own book " is obviously the Bible, and is obviously NOT your book, or you would know that the things you mentioned are tired and old criticisms of the Bible that have been around for a long time and have long been disproven.

At 6:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I'd love to hear how 14 equals 14 twice and 13 equals 14 once. I didn't mention all the other errors because I knew I'd be answered with convoluted rationalizations for why what the Bible says actually means something other than the words on the page. Inerrant books in which every word is perfectly true don't need so much justification.

Count the generations of Christ in Matthew. As they say, do the math.

At 6:51 AM, Blogger Ms.Green said...


I will not turn this into a Q&A on your assertion that the Bible is full of errors, because there is already plenty of information available elsewhere that refutes that, IF you really want to know. I will just answer this one issue quickly and succinctly and then you will have to come up with something else to say besides "The Bible is full of Errors" because it just isn't true.

On the geneaologies of Matthew and Luke:

The book of Matthew was written primarily to the Jews, and introduces Jesus to the Jews as their king,their Christ, and their Messiah. Thus the geneaology he records traces forward from Abraham and the legal line of David through Solomon, which is the geneaology of Joseph.
Matthew shows Jesus as the son of David, the father of the kingly seed of Israel, and the son of Abraham, the father of the physical seed of Israel. God's covenants to the Jews were given to these two men. These covenants promised Israel a land, a Seed Who would bless all of the Earth, and an eternal throne and King.

Yes, Matthew records gaps in his geneaology. This was standard Jewish practice to abbreviate geneaologies, to highlight certain important individuals and to organize the lists for memorization purposes.

The book of Luke was written primarily to the Greeks, and introduces Jesus to the Greeks as the perfect man,the son of Adam, the father of the human race and the son of God, the Creator of the human race and the geneaology he records traces backward the blood line of David thru Nathan - which is the geneaology of Mary.

Your mention of 14 and 13 tells me you have not studied this subject for yourself, but have simply found someplace online and parroted what you think they said, not really understanding even yourself what the two geneaologies are all about.

You are not seeking truth. You are seeking confrontation.

At 5:43 PM, Anonymous V said...

Dear Ms.Green,
Honestly, it's quite dissappointing to see you equating an isolated case in Egypt to a religion.It doesn't help in any mature debate. Since I've lived in many countries, I know how 'other side' is engaged in the same propaganda on Christianity as well. They equate western world with moral bankruptcy, broken families, teenage sex, drugs and other social evil that we see here. In my opinion, it's stupid to blame christianity for the social evils of western world. Same thing goes in this case of Egypt.

I call it tribal behavior - Each tribe (european / arab/ african/ asian...) has distinct patterns when it comes to their society/life style and value system. We shouldn't mix it up with religion.

At 6:34 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

the problem is that this is not an isolated case- it is all too common in the Muslim world and can be justified easily from the Koran. Yes, the western world has become increasingly decadent - but that is in spite of Christianity not because of it. The same cannot be said in the case I cited.

At 8:52 PM, Anonymous V said...

With all due respect, you remind me of those in asia/middle east who are enganged in propaganda against western world!! I've seen religious leaders in that part of the world citing Paris Hilton/Madonna and porno industry to blame Christianity. See, how silly it sounds. Same way, your arguement of "Koran justifies violence" is unfortunate at best.
Again, please don't take this as a personal attack. I only wish people like show little more maturity and open mind to improve the situation rather than making it worse by directly insulting a whole community/religion.

At 10:50 PM, Blogger Marshall Art said...

It is with true maturity and open mindedness that some of us have come to find the worst is true regarding the followers of Islam. There are plenty of sources that illustrate the connection between the religion and the violent behavior of it's adherents. Should anyone who truly cares to know, rather than assuming it's just another goofy religion with a small, wacky sect of radicals, it will then be easy to see that the violence is not a case of misinterpretation of "spare the rod", for example, but a true mandate to fight for world conversion with only two other options: death or dimmi-hood.

At 5:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"This was standard Jewish practice to abbreviate geneaologies"

Guess it was common practice for them to then miscount the number of generations they just listed too?

Look, I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I was just pointing out that picking holes in ancient manuscripts is (a) pretty easy and (b) useless in convincing believers that their religion is wrong. As a response I got a bunch of people rationalizing a couple of obvious mistakes to keep their beliefs. See why I don't think 4simpson's posts on errors in the Koran will do any good?

At 5:12 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...


Ok, I guess I'm misunderstanding you somewhere. What do you mean specifically when you say "Guess it was common practice for them to then miscount the number of generations they just listed too?"

What are you specifically referring to, so I can specifically respond?

What obvious mistakes are you referring to, and what rationalizing are you referring to?

At 12:24 PM, Anonymous V said...

Dear marshall Art,

As I mentioned in my posts above, your 'true maturity and open mindedness' is probably restricted to viewing world from American soil. (My be, I am wrong and you have lived in different cultures.)

Direct name-calling or stereotyping a religion doesn't improve the situation at all. This is the same mistake Muslim world is doing as well. Both are very dangerous and sad.


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