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Friday, January 2, 2009

Christianity and Unrepentant Homosexuality

I went to this website after seeing the church mentioned by someone who is a “liberal Christian” (note: see Webster’s online dictionary for the word “oxymoron”)

The page I linked to is the “What We Believe” page for the “Cathedral of Hope”.

Normally, on a Christian church website there is a “what we believe” page. This is the page that gives an idea to the reader of where the church stands doctrinally on the basics of the Christian faith.

There was notably no mention on the entire page of this webpage the words “sin”, or “repentance”, or why anyone is in need of a Savior.

As I wrote in an earlier post – without sin, there is no need of a Savior. Cathedral of Hope obviously doesn’t see much need for a Savior. Which directly contradicts the whole point of the Bible.

I mention this not just for the sake of criticism, but to point out that everyone who claims to be a Christian is not necessarily so. This must be very confusing to non-Christians.

Here are some things that they DO say at the Cathedral of Hope website:

To redefine Christianity as an including faith rather than an excluding religion.

…many of us in the church grew up singing old hymns like “Rise Up O Men of God”, “Dear Lord and Father of Mankind”, “Faith of Our Fathers” and others.
These were the hymns of our spirituality and of our childhood. The problem is that they are no more appropriate for us today than are the racist chants of the Ku Klux Klan or the homophobic rhetoric of the Moral Majority.

The Mission of the Cathedral of Hope is to reclaim Christianity as a faith of extravagant grace,radical inclusion and relentless compassion.

The whole point of their redefining Christianity, and their radical inclusion as they call it, is to embrace and condone homosexuality as acceptable within the Christian religion.

They can call themselves a church, but they are not a Christian church.

I’ve heard those in favor of homosexual marriage, when confronted with the passages that clearly say homosexuality is an abomination, say one or two passages of Scripture do not support the belief that homosexuality is wrong.
They imply that because there are so few passages on the subject, we can’t judge homosexuality to be sinful.

However, when hundreds of passages say that a Husband is male and a Wife is female, they shake their heads and refuse to listen.

A word search of Scripture on these key words:

Husband 108 times
Bridegroom 20 times
Wife 370 times
Bride 14 times

In none of these instances, is the Husband anything other male.

In none of these instances, is the Wife anything other than female.

They refuse to listen to a few passages.
Then they turn around and refuse to listen to hundreds of passages.

They refuse, because they are in rebellion.

They refuse, because they want to do what they think is right.

Think and believe what they will - they cannot justify it with Scripture. The only legitimate argument they have is if they say they disagree with Scripture - or disagree with God.

Genesis 2:24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and cleave to his wife, and the two shall be one flesh. (does NOT say, therefore shall a man leave his dad and his dad, and cleave to his boyfriend, and the two shall be one flesh.)

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (does NOT say that the head of the woman is another woman)

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (does NOT say for the husband is the head of his husband)

They refuse to listen to a few passages.
Then they turn around and refuse to listen to hundreds of passages.

They refuse, because they are in rebellion. They refuse, because they want to do what they think is right.
And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:” Numbers 15:39

Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day, every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes.” Deuteronomy 12:8

Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.” Proverbs 3:7

Again, this has to be confusing to non-Christians. But then we know who the author of confusion is and is not.

For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. I Corinthians 14:33

In thee, O LORD, do I put my trust: let me never be put to confusion. Psalm 71:1

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At 3:15 PM, Blogger David Wyatt said...

Ms Green,

I believe the saddest thing about this is that Jesus died to pay for their sin as well! Now all they must do is turn to Him, but if their sin is explained away, as you point out, the thing that CAN SHOW them their desperate need of the Savior is then taken from them. It is the most cruel thing of all.

At 3:17 PM, Blogger David Wyatt said...

Ms. Green,

When I said "their sin" let me hasten to say, that though my sin is not that particular one, I in no way intended to imply that I am not a sinner myself in the same desperate need of the Savior! Thankfully He showed me that need!

At 4:18 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

I understand that you meant that,David, and I'm in the same situation. I sin every day and have to ask forgiveness. The lie is telling people that they don't have to repent and seek salvation.

At 12:02 AM, Blogger Marshall Art said...

The point is that one needn't repent if one says evil is good. Of course, they have no certification that God agrees with the change. OH! unless there's been some serious prayerful consideration. THEN! one can change anything!

Pardon my sarcasm. It's the stuff of recent arguments with which I had to contend. It's getting quite tiresome.

At 5:10 PM, Anonymous Herm said...

Ms.Green, So very well stated. Scripture does have its way, to cut to the very bone and marrow of sin. you are correct in saying homosexuality is outright rebellion and rejection of Gods word. True, all sin separates us from Gods grace and salvation. But, I personally believe that the sin of homosexuality is an outright egregious act and personal affront to God directly. As you so accurately stated Gods mandate for the status of marriage between a man and a woman, homosexuality throws the stench of dung and all manner of filth on Gods Holy instrument of marriage and what he intended of it. Having something so dear to him so falsely and horrendously distorted, and so accepted by society at large, will only hasten Gods wrath upon our nation and ultimately the world. Yes, Religion has accepted and now promotes Homosexuality, but they do this to own horrific and final destruction. True Christians must continue to speak out against this vile sin and call it, as you correctly did, An abomination! Thanks so much for posting this truthful and brave stand for Gods word. God Bless, Herm

At 4:21 PM, Blogger Al-Ozarka said...

"They refuse, because they want to do what they think is right. " - Ms. Green

I have to disagree, Ms. Green! They refuse because they want to do...period!

They despise God. They make excuses for themselves. They celebrate profanity in so many different ways.

At 8:10 PM, Blogger Ms.Green said...

Sadly,Al-O, that is true in a lot of cases, but I do think some are convinced that homosexuality is ok because society has indoctrinated them about it, or because they WANT it to be ok.

At 12:25 PM, Anonymous V said...

No posts - Are you ok?
- V


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